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a most excellent mixed religious metaphor

A male Israeli computer programmer was recently explaining to me that

a lot of programming there is done by ultra-Orthodox wives working in

big all-female or mostly female offices, set up so they aren’t left

unchaperoned with men, & that such arrangements were growing in

popularity.  I expressed a little surprise because in many other kinds

of traditional or conservative communities women are supposed to stay

at home instead of working.  He said the wives had jobs so the men

could study Yeshiva.

"Oh, you mean the men study all day instead of working at all?"

"Yeah, that’s the Holy Grail of the ultra-Orthodox lifestyle."


The kid’s a hot prospect. He’s got a good head for merchandising, an

agent who can take you downtown and one of the best urine samples I’ve

seen in a long time.                           [Dead Kennedys t-shirt]

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  1. admin says:

    On 07/06/2013 14:15, Adam Funk wrote:

    > A male Israeli computer programmer was recently explaining to me that

    > a lot of programming there is done by ultra-Orthodox wives working in

    > big all-female or mostly female offices, set up so they aren’t left

    > unchaperoned with men, & that such arrangements were growing in

    > popularity.  I expressed a little surprise because in many other kinds

    > of traditional or conservative communities women are supposed to stay

    > at home instead of working.  He said the wives had jobs so the men

    > could study Yeshiva.

    > "Oh, you mean the men study all day instead of working at all?"

    > "Yeah, that’s the Holy Grail of the ultra-Orthodox lifestyle."

    IIRC, most ultra-Orthodox men in Israel live on state benefits because
    they need to pray and study all day.

    Yep:

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/06/06/us-israel-ultraorthodox-insi

    http://tinyurl.com/mnmmuct

    <quote>

    Often living in de-facto ghettos of their own making, the majority of
    Haredi men are allowed to shun the army and dedicate their life to
    religious study, living off donations, state benefits and the often
    meager wages of wives, many of whom work.

    </quote>


    David

  2. admin says:

    On 2013-06-07, the Omrud wrote:

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    > On 07/06/2013 14:15, Adam Funk wrote:

    >> A male Israeli computer programmer was recently explaining to me that

    >> a lot of programming there is done by ultra-Orthodox wives working in

    >> big all-female or mostly female offices, set up so they aren’t left

    >> unchaperoned with men, & that such arrangements were growing in

    >> popularity.  I expressed a little surprise because in many other kinds

    >> of traditional or conservative communities women are supposed to stay

    >> at home instead of working.  He said the wives had jobs so the men

    >> could study Yeshiva.

    >> "Oh, you mean the men study all day instead of working at all?"

    >> "Yeah, that’s the Holy Grail of the ultra-Orthodox lifestyle."

    > IIRC, most ultra-Orthodox men in Israel live on state benefits because
    > they need to pray and study all day.

    I hadn’t heard of that.  This guy told me there are international

    charities that pay stipends to the men while they’re studying, but the

    wives are having to go to work now because they tend to have large

    numbers of children to support & those charities are drying up

    (getting less donation income from the rest of the world).


    No right of private conversation was enumerated in the Constitution.

    I don’t suppose it occurred to anyone at the time that it could be

    prevented.                                        [Whitfield Diffie]

  3. admin says:

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    Adam Funk <a24…@ducksburg.com> wrote:

    > On 2013-06-07, Jerry Friedman wrote:

    >> On Jun 7, 7:15 am, Adam Funk <a24…@ducksburg.com> wrote:

    >>> A male Israeli computer programmer was recently explaining to me that

    >>> a lot of programming there is done by ultra-Orthodox wives working in

    >>> big all-female or mostly female offices, set up so they aren’t left

    >>> unchaperoned with men, & that such arrangements were growing in

    >>> popularity.  I expressed a little surprise because in many other kinds

    >>> of traditional or conservative communities women are supposed to stay

    >>> at home instead of working.  He said the wives had jobs so the men

    >>> could study Yeshiva.

    >>> "Oh, you mean the men study all day instead of working at all?"

    >>> "Yeah, that’s the Holy Grail of the ultra-Orthodox lifestyle."

    >> My mother has never forgotten that when she was a teenager, her rabbi

    >> (Conservative) told her, "We all have our crosses to bear."

    > oops

    > I’m trying to think of something similar in the other direction, but

    > all I can come up with are the term "scapegoat" & some Yiddish

    > expressions.

    Guess it will be difficult to find any such contradiction, as most

    Christian traditions are just copied from, or based upon Jewish ones.

    /Walter

  4. admin says:

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    Jerry Friedman wrote:

    > On Jun 7, 8:32 am, Walter P. Z hl <spamsin…@zaehl.de> wrote:

    >> Adam Funk <a24…@ducksburg.com> wrote:

    >>> On 2013-06-07, Jerry Friedman wrote:

    >>>> On Jun 7, 7:15 am, Adam Funk <a24…@ducksburg.com> wrote:

    >>>>> A male Israeli computer programmer was recently explaining to me that

    >>>>> a lot of programming there is done by ultra-Orthodox wives working in

    >>>>> big all-female or mostly female offices, set up so they aren’t left

    >>>>> unchaperoned with men, & that such arrangements were growing in

    >>>>> popularity.  I expressed a little surprise because in many other kinds

    >>>>> of traditional or conservative communities women are supposed to stay

    >>>>> at home instead of working.  He said the wives had jobs so the men

    >>>>> could study Yeshiva.

    >>>>> "Oh, you mean the men study all day instead of working at all?"

    >>>>> "Yeah, that’s the Holy Grail of the ultra-Orthodox lifestyle."

    >>>> My mother has never forgotten that when she was a teenager, her rabbi

    >>>> (Conservative) told her, "We all have our crosses to bear."

    >>> oops

    >>> I’m trying to think of something similar in the other direction, but

    >>> all I can come up with are the term "scapegoat" & some Yiddish

    >>> expressions.

    >> Guess it will be difficult to find any such contradiction, as most

    >> Christian traditions are just copied from, or based upon Jewish ones.

    > However, I think someone could say that what the priest or minister

    > was up to wasn’t kosher.

    And Jerusalem is a Mecca for tourists.


    James