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Re: The perpetual calendar

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Peter Moylan <gro.nalyomp@retep> writes:
> Skitt wrote:
>> Hatunen wrote:
>>> "Peter T. Daniels" wrote:

>>>> I wonder whether sjedvnull would be satisfied with, If you’re
>>>> baptized in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, then
>>>> you’re a Christian.

>>> There are those who claim so.

>> Just to provide some data — I was so baptized (at the age of 16), but
>> it didn’t make me a Christian, at least, not in my beliefs.  I mean,
>> even if I do or say certain things, maybe my fingers are crossed behind
>> my back. <g>

> At my confirmation my fingers definitely were crossed.  In addition, I
> was muttering under my breath "a promise made under duress is not
> legally binding".

> Nobody asked me whether I wanted to be baptised or confirmed, and in any
> case I was too young to make an informed decision.  Especially in the
> case of the baptism.

Seems a bit pointless to me.  You might as well go through it
wholeheartedly.  After all, if it’s rubbish then it’s harmless – and if
it’s not you probably wanted to do it.

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Re: The perpetual calendar

On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:59:23 -0700, Hatunen
<hatu…> wrote in
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> On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:57:10 -0500, "Brian M. Scott"
> <…> wrote:


>>That may be another point of contention: pleasantly cool
>>means about 25 , and really good weather starts at about
>>30 .  And 5:30 or 6:15 is a nice time to go to bed.
> I do hope you mean celsius degrees.

I do indeed; Rob’s posting from Oz.



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Re: The perpetual calendar

On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 06:15:20 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"

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<gramma…> wrote:
>On Feb 28, 2:57 am, "sjdevn…" <sjdevn…> wrote:
>> On Feb 27, 3:48 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma…> wrote:

>> > On Feb 27, 1:40 pm, "sjdevn…" <sjdevn…> wrote:

>> > > On Feb 27, 9:57 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma…> wrote:
>> > > > On Feb 27, 2:29 am, "sjdevn…" <sjdevn…> wrote:

>> > > > > On Feb 27, 12:20 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma…> wrote:
>> > > > > > On Feb 26, 9:04 pm, "sjdevn…" <sjdevn…> wrote:
>> > > > > > > At that point you claimed they are "by definition, not Christians".

>> > > > > > Sigh. The essence of Christian dogma is encapsulated in the Nicene
>> > > > > > Creed.

>> > > > > That is a different statement than the original, and would appear to

>> > > > It may be a different "statement," but it conveys the obvious intent
>> > > > of the original statement.

>> > > No, it conveys a different intent, which is obvious if you reread your
>> > > original question: "Doesn’t _every_ extant Christian church use the
>> > > Nicene Creed? (With or without the _filioque_.)" That’s clearly

>> > Since it’s my question, I think I am entitled to state what its intent
>> > was.

>> Whatever you might have meant, your words didn’t convey it. With an
>> ambiguous statement, it’s certainly reasonable to admit that you were
>> wrong and revise your statement–I’ve certainly made ill-formed
>> statements in this thread and others, and altered them.

>> In this case, though, it’s pretty obvious from the wording what you
>> meant by the original question, and if you’re now asserting that you
>> didn’t mean to ask whether all Christians actually use some real
>> wording of the Nicene Creed then I absolutely believe you’re lying. I
>> have no further interest in continuing this thread if you’re going to
>> insist otherwise (and several other people in this thread also took
>> your words to mean what they meant to me, so I don’t feel that’s an
>> idiosyncrasy of mine).

>See recent posting on mathematicians’ restrictive interpretation of
>unexpressed quantifiers in English.

>> > (I gather, from the sources you cite, that you are some sort of
>> > conservative Catholic, the type that in Chicago flocked to the one
>> > parish in the city that had dispensation from Rome to say Mass in
>> > Latin, so I wouldn’t be surprised if you don’t know anything about
>> > such questions.)

>> Have fun with that (Fwiw, I’m a liberal atheist).-

>Then why on earth are you not familiar with recent (i.e., less than a
>century and a half old) scholarship on topics on which you pontificate?

Do you mean he’s acting like the Pontiff or that he’s bui

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Re: The perpetual calendar

Peter Moylan <gro.nalyomp@retep> writes:
> Admittedly the common "off by one" errors are often caused by
> zero-based subscripting. With most programming languages, though,
> such an error will make itself evident the first time you run the
> program, when you run off the end of the array; and the exception
> information will quickly lead you to the cause of the crash. It’s
> safe to declare subscript ranges in any way that is natural to the
> application, as long as the generated code includes range
> checks. The main thing that makes C so unsuitable for real-world
> applications is the paucity of run-time checks.

The existence of which, of course, along with the concommitant
overhead, being one of the main reasons that other languages were
considered unsuitable for real-world applications.

Fast, safe, and easy to write a compiler for.  Pick two.

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Re: The perpetual calendar

On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:09:57 -0800, David Harmon

<sou…> wrote:
>On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:56:25 -0500 in alt.usage.english, tony cooper
><tony_cooper…> wrote,
>>As far as I can tell, the only employers that are closed on
>>President’s Day are government offices, schools, and banks.  To the

>There is no such holiday as "President’s Day" to US government offices.

Interesting. I had assumed there was. And I see that there is one
in some states. Certainly businesses think there is one in their
sales advertisements.

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Re: The perpetual calendar

On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:39:57 +1300, PaulJK
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> Objects with negative weight do not need escape velocity
> to escape to space. They can ascend slowly with
> impressive majestic grace.

Shopping baskets have a hard time achieving impressive
majestic grace, even when filled with negative watermelons.


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Re: The perpetual calendar

In sci.astro message <FHhin.45627$Ym4.6…>,
Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:14:45, the Omrud <…>

>It’s a long-standing irritation of non-Americans on Usenet that some
>Americans on Usenet seem to think that Usenet is populated by

You give rather little obvious indication of not being one yourself,
though I see that you speak en-GB.

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Re: The perpetual calendar

Hatunen filted:

>On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:23:38 +0000, Chuck Riggs
><chri…> wrote:

>>Very true, but I still don’t understand what the "earlier
>>unpleasantness with the tea bags" meant.

>You obviously don’t know that in the latter part of the 18th
>century the British East India Company was shipping its product
>in tea bags.

>Thousands and thousands of teabags floating in Boston Harbor….

That’s the absurd image in the minds of most readers at this point, but what
containers *were* used to transport tea?…was it in fact wooden crates, as I’ve
usually seen the BTP portrayed, or might the tea actually have been packed into
burlap sacks (therefore *technically* "tea bags") for shipment?…r

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Norwegian stronghold?

Yesterday NBC did a feature on 30k cross country, which has been the
bailiwick of Norway for like forever, and how humiliated Norwegians
were that Sweden won it. They interviewed a Norwegian (in civilian
clothes, so likely not connected with the team) whose English was
fluent and idiomatic — except he said "We had a stronghold on that
sport." That seems a perfectly reasonable thing to say — though the
stress ought to be "strong hold" — but just not English, which would
be "stranglehold."

Which got me wondering: Was he calquing a Norwegian term
("stranglehold" not being a particularly everyday expression), or
misremembering "stranglehold"?

And, connection between "strangle" and "strong"?

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