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The Phaistos Disk and the A.J.A.

The announcement of an Internal Conference on the Phaistos Disk in
London has had an unexpected consequence. I learned for the first
time
that eight years ago J.Faucounau had sent a reply to Y. Duhoux’
paper,
published in this journal and largely publicized since. One of the
Editors, John Younger, a vey good friend of Y. Duhoux, opposed to the
publication of this reply. This is history, and I believe it is worth
to be known.
And here is the "censored reply", of which I could get a copy.
PHAISTOS DISK : A REPLY TO YVES DUHOUX

In the July 2000 issue of the A. J.A. ., Yves Duhoux made a review of
my book on the decipherment of the Phaistos Disk, which is so full of
inaccuracies and biased statements that a reply is necessary.

1)- "Faucounau’s book is the latest of many attempts to decipher the
Phaistos Disc". Wrong : the decipherment has been published in 1975
in
the R.E.A. The book is just a justification of it. Why such a long
delay ? Because any decipherment of such a short text HAS TO BE
PROVED, and it took me some 25 years to find, one by one, some 30
pieces of evidence. NONE HAS BEEN EXAMINED by the reviewer.

2)- "On this criterion (of the direction of reading)..the attempts by
numerous authors are suspect". They are not "suspect". They are
plainly wrong. Ten pages of my book are dedicated to this question.
Not a word about that by the reviewer!

3)- "Any grid that assigns a consonantal value to signs has.. a good
chance of being wrong". What is "a good chance"? Where are Duhoux’
calculations supporting this statement ?

4)- "Greek is probably the language most often proposed". For a good
reason : a long series of statistical calculations shows that it has
more than 80% chance to be correct !

5)- "Faucounau rejects this important parallel (with the Arkalokhori
Axe)". Wrong. I did not ! I have even explained it in a (still
unpublished) paper, that Y. Duhoux prefered to ignore.

6)- "Faucounau gives no edition of the disc of his own, but
regrettably reproduces Evans’facsimile"… One has to add : with some
modifications… But why "regrettably" ? Are later designs more
accurate? I suggest the reader to compare the design of Sign 17 in
the
L.Godart’s publication, recommended by Y.Duhoux in his Bibliography
(an alleged "pot lid" with a rounded shape) with the original to be
fully enlightened !

7)- "The script of the disc should total about 60 different signs,
not
Faucounau’s 88 or 95". Any mathematician will tell Y. Duhoux that,
concerning such a prevision, it is incorrect to treat the same way
variables following a "Poisson’s Law" and variables following a
"Gauss
Repartition". But Y. Duhoux has, may-be, some trouble with
mathematics, as it can be seen when one compares the statistical
conclusions of his 1979 paper on the Disk (The language must be Indo-
European and possibly Greek) with those of his 1983 study on the same
topic ("the Disk’s language cannot be Indo-European")?..

8)- "Such observable facts prove Faucounau wrong". The so-called
"facts" are experimental statistics made with an implicit HYPOTHESIS,
which is, in fact, wrong.

9)- "The structure of Faucounau’s syllabary is aberrant". Compared to
the Cretan/Cypriote Syllabaries, yes !.. But why the Disk’s script
should be Minoan ?.. Just because Y. Duhoux’ "intimate
conviction" ?…

10)- "Decipherers should be completely confident that, if their
decipherment is correct, it will triumph in the end"… Surely ! But
with reviewers like Y. Duhoux, who don’t pay attention to the proofs
brought in, one has just to wait half-a-century, like A. Wegener did
with his theory !.. As for me, I am certainly waiting with full
confidence the time when Y.Duhoux’review will rejoin the
A.J.Beattie’s
paper on Linear B decipherment in the J.H.S. 1956…

END of the quote.

Any comments would be unnecessary.

grapheus

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pop anthropology and its role in linguistics

I shall start by observing that I refute there is
any real scientific basis in comparing a bunch
of Middle Class nanny-raised boarders from all
over the country (i.e., Eton boys) with what, on
the impolite borders of polite society, are known
as chavs, pikeys, charvers and so forth simply
on the basis they happen to live in the same
county for a few years.

But I have yet to be published in linguistics so
perhaps there is some redeeming expedience
in this methodophily that somehow makes it
"Scientific".

I doubt it.

A study of Rugby boarders compared to Coventry
Boys Club kids might be more so.

However it was a rather tiresome night I got a
bit bored and decided I would use Google Earth
to find Noah’s Ark in its resting place on the
Ararat range of mountains.

LOL!

Just don’t confuse well-meaning but deluded
Von Daniken wannabe Renee Noorbergen with
the surprisingly versatile screen actor Rene
Auberjonois anyone. Linguistically, however,
a comparison of their genuine ideolects in
candid unguarded moments, may well constitute
a rather more scientific enquiry than the comparison
of Berkshire tones with the generically mollycoddled.

Yes, I refer to that old chestnut of 70s speculative
science "Secrets of The Lost Races". It’s not a
total waste of time and its title is quite illuminating;
how else, for example, does one explain the image
of F1 flop David Coulthard engraved on the Nevada
Desert millenia ago?

I didn’t go a bundle on the 100th monkey effect
either, except as a demonstration that tailing
zeroes really can grab the attention of the part-
schooled.

One of Noorbergen’s assertions, however, may
be of interest of the socio-linguistically minded.

This is his anecdote of how the story of Noah, or
"Nu-Wah", appears throughout the South Pacific
spontaneously. This is taken to imply he was a
real person. I’m not saying he wasn’t, except that
we have a remarkably ark-shaped hilltop or twenty
near us too, if his hilltop is indeed arkshaped (and
it looked rather too Viking to conform to the actual
dimensions givine in Scripture).

But it does rather hint at a tradition of maritime
miscegenation which contemporary genetics may
be able to demonstrate or refute in terms of recent
human history and, if the former, would in turn
provide a meaningful chronology by which socio-
linguistics can continue as a quantified discipline.

G DAEB
COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON

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Phaistos Disk : The true motive behind the "Minerva Conference"

From an e-mail I received from a friend working at the Heraklion
Museum, I got the following information, which may interest members of
this group :
A few months ago, Dr Jerome Eisenberg visited the Cretan Museum and
asked to have a close examination of the Phaistos Disk. The Greek
authorities knew Dr Eisenberg’s reputation : has he not pretended that
the famous Etruscan "Monteleone Chariot", The Simachi ivory Panel, and
the Munich Peruvia Bronzes were all forgeries ?..  So, they refused to
take the Phaistos Disk out of its display case, just to please to Dr
Eisenberg…
The vengeance came soon, with a paper in Minerva, highly publicized by
all the friends of the "Art specialist", and the annoucement of a
"Conference on the authenticity" of the Disk…
So goes Science to-day…  To the great pleasure of people like Peter
Daniels…

grapheus

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False or not?

I have to repeat the following doubts on Disc:
– probably there is not a complete analysis of the clay;
– perhaps no expert in figurative arts has examined it;
– maybe there is no 3D image useful to study it.
Thank’s.
FGC

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A new definition of the word "content"

Following the distinguished linguist Peter T. Daniels, the
dictionaries have now to modify the meaning of the word "content" in
English. Because when a critic writes in 2000 : "This is the latest of
many attempts to decipher the Phaistos Disc", and that one replies :
"This is wrong. The said decipherment has been published in 1975",
there is "no content" in the reply.
I suggest that they should also modify the meaning of the word
"scholar", and I propose this : "A Peter Daniels-like scholar is a guy
who is pleased with censorship, in the name of colleaguial
friendship".

grapheus

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"What, the hell, an ''expert in figurative art''…"

Interesting expression, indeed; probably my informations on all the
question are 90 years old.
But, dearest grapheus, can you – shortly – provide to us, or me only
(after all I have a mail address), why, exempli gratia, the
reconstructions you appeal to "… condemn[ed] in particular ALL the
readings from the center outwards" ?
Forgive my ignorance and consider I hope knowledge can grow up in this
"familiar" manner too…
Greetings.
FGC

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